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The declaration that “Israel is not the homeland of American Jews” should hardly need to be made. It must be made clear that Americans of the Jewish faith are Americans, that Israel, however sympathetic to it many may be, is not their homeland. Young people are increasingly alienated from the Israel-centered Judaism they encounter
Israel Is Not the Homeland of American Jews - The American council for Judaism
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Zionist philosophy never factored in a free and open society with religious freedom for all of its citizens. Millions of American Jews — for many generations — have embraced that free society. A narrow, exclusivist, theocratic state holds little appeal for them. Abba Eban once said that the Jews were a people “who would not take yes for an answer.” American Jews have — and have no doubt where home really is.
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A study by social scientists Ari Kelman and Steven M. Cohen found that among American Jews, each new generation is more alienated from Israel than the one before. Among American Jews born after 1980, only 54 per cent feel “comfortable with the idea of a Jewish state.” The reason, Cohen explained, is an aversion to “hard group boundaries” and to the notion that “there is a distinction between Jews and everybody else.”
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Dr. Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi who subsequently emigrated to the U.S. where he rose to be vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leader of the World Zionist Organization, published in 1934 a book Wir Juden (We Jews), to celebrate Hitler’s so-called German Revolution and the defeat of liberalism: “The meaning of the German Revolution for the German nation will eventually be clear to those who have created it and formed its image. Its meaning for us must be set forth here: the fortunes of liberalism are lost. The only form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk.”
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In his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Professor Israel Shahak of the Hebrew University writes that, “… relations have always existed between Zionists and anti-Semites … Many examples of such alliances are well known. Herzl himself allied himself with the notorious Count von Plehve, the anti-Semitic minister of Tsar Nicholas II. Vladimir Jabotinsky made a pact with Patlyura, the reactionary Ukrainian leader whose forces massacred 100,000 Jews in 1918-21 … Perhaps the most shocking example of this type is the delight with which some Zionist leaders in Germany welcomed Hitler’s rise to power, because they shared his belief in the primacy of ‘race’ and his hostility to the assimilation of Jews among ‘Aryans.’ They congratulated Hitler on his triumph over the common enemy — the forces of liberalism.”
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Some eye opening revelations by this commentary. Article Worth the read for everyone.
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The fact is that most of the immigration to israel now is evengelical chriastian zionists who want to be there to fulfill some false promise of armagadden and coming of a messiah coming that will lead to the annihilation of all living there with juadism accepting christanity. They are busy buying all the illegal settlements along with the extremist so called jewish zionists.
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salmann, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. But it's not your fault. You've been led astray by those in whom you have placed your trust.
The coming Messiah will come and leave in a moment of time, taking the true people of God with Him. Doesn't matter of you don't believe it. God isn't asking your permission or approval, and neither am I. Then who will arise will be the 12th Imam, the man of sin, popularly called the antiChrist. This Muslim imam will broker a peace treaty with Israel, but after 3 1/2 years, will commit treachery and initiate what is called "The Great Tribulation". Your Muslim messiah will kill 2 out of every 3 Jews in the world, which to you may sound appealing...or so it's estimated by those who study such things. Then the true Messiah will return again, and destroy this Muslim messiah, this antiChrist, and begin a thousand year rule.
How do we know this will happen? We'll have to wait and see.
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The coming Messiah will come and leave in a moment of time, taking the true people of God with Him. Doesn't matter of you don't believe it. God isn't asking your permission or approval, and neither am I. Then who will arise will be the 12th Imam, the man of sin, popularly called the antiChrist. This Muslim imam will broker a peace treaty with Israel, but after 3 1/2 years, will commit treachery and initiate what is called "The Great Tribulation". Your Muslim messiah will kill 2 out of every 3 Jews in the world, which to you may sound appealing...or so it's estimated by those who study such things. Then the true Messiah will return again, and destroy this Muslim messiah, this antiChrist, and begin a thousand year rule.
If post #1.6 could be a cold cut, I would say baloney would best describe it.
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Didn't you get it, squidward? I DON'T CARE! I'm not asking you to believe it. I'm not asking you to validate it. Heck, use it as a short story fiction for all I care. The proof will be when it happens. I'm not even going to try to convince you of the veracity of my comments. But no worries. You'll have a part to play as well.
People don't care about the evidence, or how things line up. They don't care about truth, and prefer agenda above truth. So what's the point of trying to explain it, or tell you why I believe that statement. Pretty freakin' compelling though. Not that you're interested.
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Levi777 those are all simply your opinions and not facts by any realistic standard.
This has been the history of this world the mighty in power like israel run by ruthless people have always attacked oppressed and killed the the ones who were militarily not as strong. And worst yet when people like yourself have used ancient outdated outmoded non sensible man made books in the names of gods to justify this acts of cruelties of man on man.
These are the worst examples of sheer human greed which are manifested in Israeli behaviour.
There only a few who have earned the status of true world respect and they are the likes of Mother Teresa and others who have shown similar characters
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ramikay,
israel run by ruthless people have always attacked oppressed and killed the the ones who were militarily not as strong.
In your little dream world, your comment confesses that the Muslims who attacked Israel in 1948, 1967, 1973, etc., were weaker than the tiny state of Israel. Thank you for the agreement that Muslims couldn't wage war against a developed nation to save their hides. They're too busy infighting. It's like chasing a dustdevil. They run around in circles and all they get is dirty.
ancient outdated outmoded non sensible man made books in the names of gods
I know you don't care about stupid little things like historical research, and historical dating, archeology, geology, paleontology. You have to do better than that. There's too much evidence for the veracity of the Bible (which is where my comment as to future events came from) and anyone who wants to dismiss it out of hand without even bothering to look at the evidence and proofs really comes off looking like an idiot to people who do care about things such as proof and evidence.
Your emotional rants never help the process of discussion, ramikay. Have you ever considered maybe placing truth as your highest goal? Emotional rants will never get you there!
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Levi777
The coming Messiah will come and leave in a moment of time, taking the true people of God with Him.
No, you are mistaken. We don't live in a world of magic and unicorns.
Doesn't matter of you don't believe it. God isn't asking your permission or approval, and neither am I.
God isn't asking for permission, because God isn't real. God doesn't do anything.
Then who will arise will be the 12th Imam, the man of sin, popularly called the antiChrist. This Muslim imam will broker a peace treaty with Israel, but after 3 1/2 years, will commit treachery and initiate what is called "The Great Tribulation". Your Muslim messiah will kill 2 out of every 3 Jews in the world, which to you may sound appealing...or so it's estimated by those who study such things. Then the true Messiah will return again, and destroy this Muslim messiah, this antiChrist, and begin a thousand year rule.
I enjoy how you have dressed up anti-Muslim hate-speech in the vestments of religion. It let's you say whatever horrible things you want, and hide behind the aegis of religious freedom.
How do we know this will happen? We'll have to wait and see.
Indeed.
I hope you have the courage to live in a world that fails to implode from your flights of fancy.
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Levi777
I know you don't care about stupid little things like historical research, and historical dating, archeology, geology, paleontology. You have to do better than that.
People who believe in magic have no right to invoke these things.
There's too much evidence for the veracity of the Bible (which is where my comment as to future events came from) and anyone who wants to dismiss it out of hand without even bothering to look at the evidence and proofs really comes off looking like an idiot to people who do care about things such as proof and evidence.
There is no evidence, that bears scientific scrutiny, for what you are claiming. Prove me wrong. I would love to see your proofs? The Bible is poorly written fiction.
Your emotional rants never help the process of discussion, ramikay. Have you ever considered maybe placing truth as your highest goal? Emotional rants will never get you there!
Can you appreciate the irony of this statement? Where do you find the chutzpah to call out someone else for emotional rants?
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Zen-Hydra...you'll see. Golly, I hope you remember the stuff you said on that day. Actually, I'm sure you'll be reminded of it.
You atheists declare we must prove God yet opt out of proving He is not. If you had a pinhead amount of honesty, you would all be agnostics. How can anyone take an atheist seriously? You just like badmouthing people, and thrive off the drama of having someone to hate.
Oh, and by the way, I don't hate Muslims. Islam is a dangerous religion, and by Islam these events will unfold in this world. Muslims at best have been sold a bill of goods by their Imams, and when they actually look at the Quran and the history of their religion, guess what..THEY BECOME CHRISTIANS!!! See, Jesus made a way to have relationship with God the Father through the forgiveness of sins. Muslims have to work for it and hope they are good enough. What's good enough? Blowing yourself up and killing innocents is considered good enough (better be cuz you can't make a career out of it), but not everyone can take that route. What are they, cowards? So some try to do good works, and guess what...it's never enough. No one can say when enough is enough, and there's always this fear of it's never enough. Jesus offers forgiveness of sins without working for it, and He rose from the dead to prove that God alone has the power to deliver. Muslims can't know this because their Imams are wicked, evil people who do not know the way to life and healing, wholeness and happiness. And they decieve the millions with that by which they were deceived.
"Live in a world that fails to implode from my flights of fancy"?
Read it again. I won't be here. The atheists will, and so will the agnostics. And nobody has that much courage. Even so, should I be...somebody will have to maintain their composure to tell the world around them what's going on, and what they can do about it. I wonder how many atheists will begin to believe at that point.
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There's too much evidence for the veracity of the Bible (which is where my comment as to future events came from) and anyone who wants to dismiss it out of hand without even bothering to look at the evidence and proofs really comes off looking like an idiot to people who do care about things such as proof and evidence.
Only according to those who believe in the fairy tail, and even among those who do believe in "God" the verdict on the Bibles authenticity is divided.
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Levi777
Zen-Hydra...you'll see. Golly, I hope you remember the stuff you said on that day. Actually, I'm sure you'll be reminded of it.
If a being admitted culpability for the purported actions of the god of Abraham, I would tell it exactly what I think of it. Since it only exists as a figment of your imagination, I won't waste my breath.
You atheists declare we must prove God yet opt out of proving He is not.
One cannot prove a negative, but science has time-and-again disproved the lies recorded in your holy texts.
You challenge me to prove there is no God. I challenge you to prove there is no Zeus. I challenge you to prove there is no Mickey Mouse. I challenge you to prove there is no Superman.
If you had a pinhead amount of honesty, you would all be agnostics.
Why?
A statement of agnosticism is nothing more than a statement of ignorance (not that there is anything wrong with admitting one's ignorance).
As an atheist, I openly state that there is no reason to believe in a god (any god). There is no evidence that a god exists as anything other than a mental construct. I have no more reason to believe your god exists than I do to believe in Zeus, Odin, Vishnu, or Cthulhu. Jesus is no more likely to be real than Herakles.
So, why should I waste my time, and head-space, believing in things that there is no evidence of?
Do you believe in Zeus, Odin, Vishnu, and Cthulhu?
How can anyone take an atheist seriously? You just like badmouthing people, and thrive off the drama of having someone to hate.
I'm an atheist, and I don't badmouth people. I readily attack other peoples arguments, but those are opinions, not people. I respect all people equally, but I don't respect all ideas equally.
Oh, and by the way, I don't hate Muslims.
Your words say otherwise.
Muslims at best have been sold a bill of goods by their Imams, and when they actually look at the Quran and the history of their religion, guess what..THEY BECOME CHRISTIANS!!!
This is simply not true. The Christian Bible has no magical property that compels Muslims to abandon their faith, and become Christian.
Read it again. I won't be here.
Why? Where will you be? I hope you aren't planning to harm yourself, or others, in pursuance of this delusion.
The atheists will, and so will the agnostics. And nobody has that much courage.
I am not sure what your "courage" statement is about. If you are implying that atheists all change their minds and become religious in their final hours, you are mistaken.
Even so, should I be...somebody will have to maintain their composure to tell the world around them what's going on, and what they can do about it. I wonder how many atheists will begin to believe at that point.
Why speculate about events that are never going to occur?
I'll counter with this question: Will you change your beliefs when the battle of Ragnarok begins and the Jotun war with the Aesir?
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battle of Ragarok...interesting that it has the world immersed in water. That happened once before and I wonder if it was the inspiration.
There are many views and philosophies that mirror the truth, and they are all designed to mislead and confuse, as well as entertain.
One cannot prove a negative, but science has time-and-again disproved the lies recorded in your holy texts.
That's not a negative. Prove it. The other option is that you are lying, which is different from being mistaken.
You challenge me to prove there is no God. I challenge you to prove there is no Zeus. I challenge you to prove there is no Mickey Mouse. I challenge you to prove there is no Superman.
And that's why we must wait. The True will arrive, and dispel any silly notion of the existence of cartoon characters and the false. Interesting tho you should mention Zeus. In the first Biblical fulfillment of "the abomination that causes desolation", Antiochus Epiphanes erected a statue to Zeus in the Temple in Jerusalem. Biblical prophecy itself declares there is a power with that name, but it is dark, demonic, and wicked...rotten to the core and evil beyond measure.
And by the way, leave Mickey out of this. He rocks.
There is no evidence that a god exists as anything other than a mental construct.
That's because you refuse to look at the evidence. Good thing it's not a train and you're standing on the track. But then maybe in a certain way it is....hmmm....Go ahead. Tell me you've researched this, and looked for evidence of God.
The sad thing is that, you are probably right. Look at tragedies that have happened in the world. After 9/11, churches filled up. 6 months later, church attendance was back at pre-event levels. Should there be massive disappearances in a "blink of an eye", around the world, people will freak out for a bit over it, but soon they will have bigger things to worry about. The book of Revelation tells us that people will know that God is real, and Jesus is real, and even knowing that beyond any doubt, they still will refuse to turn from their wickedness to a life that honors Him.
Don't you worry. If you don't believe me, God will make sure you know the truth. Eventually.
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People don't care about the evidence
I do, but you don't have any.
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"Golly, I hope you remember the stuff you said on that day. Actually, I'm sure you'll be reminded of it."
You know Levi, I read your never ending posts that are filled with such nastiness toward those who worship the same God you claim to follow, but under a different religion, or those who don't share your beliefs. Your posts have been particularly hateful as of late. Who are you to judge anyone who doesn't conform to your beliefs that you're constantly shoving down our throats?
What you just don't get is that your behavior, while spouting bible verses, is what pushes some people away from religion. It's no wonder so many people are turning away from organized religion when people who claim to be "Christian" behave in such a nasty way.
I see nothing Christ-like in your posts, just a lot of meanness while hiding behind the cloak of religion. It's you who best remember the @!$%# you spout on "that day." You definitely will be reminded of it. You ought to worry about your own soul.
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This proves that Palestine was and still really a legitimate country.
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Then Isabella, we must wonder who is this Jesus you claim to know. Methinks perhaps you've made Him in your image.
those who worship the same God you claim to follow, but under a different religion,
That's just weird. Same God but different religion? So, you want to accuse me of being hateful and hiding behind religion, but say nothing about the way people are talking to me. I suppose that means your part is with them. I look for discussion and get ranted against and talked down to, and you blame me.
I see this dynamic in play, Isabella, where a topic of conversation I have been discussing along a vein of reasoning with co-workers at work, and it has been going very well. Now I see you using that very topic and twisting it to point the finger at me and falsely accuse me. My own soul is just fine, and if you feel so strongly that I am in error, then pray for me.
And squidward, be honest. What I don't have is proof. I could do your work for you and trot out all kinds of evidence, but then experience with atheists has taught me two things: 1) you will disrespect it and 2) you'd dismiss it as anecdotal evidence and never consider what it means.
Spectacular Arab, in your dreams.
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"Then Isabella, we must wonder who is this Jesus you claim to know. Methinks perhaps you've made Him in your image."
Who's we? The Jesus I know certainly isn't the one you claim to know. Thank God for that.
"That's just weird. Same God but different religion?"
Yeah, different religion, you know, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, different religions who worship the same God. Islam is a religion, even if you say it's not. You claim Islam is evil, therefore you're saying 1.5 billion followers of Islam are evil, which of course is pure hateful bull@!$%#.
There are a small minority who claim to be Muslim, who use their religion as an excuse to say hateful things and do evil acts, they're not true Muslims. Christianity has the same problem. It has a small minority who claim to Christian, who hide behind their religion as an excuse to say hateful things and do evil, they aren't true Christians. Same goes for Judaism. There are hatemongers and lunatics in all three religions, all a small minority who do not represent the millions and billions who don't behave as they do.
"I suppose that means your part is with them"
Sorry, I'm not a groupie. Your posts stand out because I don't see anyone else claiming to be a good Christian, shoving their religious beliefs on others, and attacking others who don't share their religious beliefs. Your behavior and words are not what Jesus was about. It's just obscene to me to read hateful and bigoted remarks from anyone who spouts bible verses in-between those hateful remarks, then they claim to be a good Christian. Just my opinion.
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Levi777
battle of Ragarok...interesting that it has the world immersed in water. That happened once before and I wonder if it was the inspiration.
The Earth has never been completely immersed in liquid water. There isn't nearly enough water on the planet to do that, and there is no evidence to suggest it's happened.
If you want to speculate about the origin of myths, be aware that your own religion is nothing more than an hodgepodge of concepts stolen from earlier religions. For example, Mithra was doing Jesus's shtick long before he was alleged to have been born, and Utnapishtim was surviving mythic world-covering floods before the Noah story was ever imagined.
Below is a link to a humorous video about the ludicrousness of the Noah Myth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BzWUuZN5w
There are many views and philosophies that mirror the truth, and they are all designed to mislead and confuse, as well as entertain.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word truth.
truth
Noun:
- The quality or state of being true: "the truth of her accusation".
- That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
The Christian religion is not rooted in fact, or reality. It is rooted in barbaric ignorance, and outright deception. All religions try and sell a cosmology that runs counter to the facts.
Science is the best understanding of the universe we live in. It is a self-correcting philosophy that is designed to take nothing on faith alone. Science deals in facts, religion deals in fantasy.
That's not a negative. Prove it. The other option is that you are lying, which is different from being mistaken.
Proving that something does not exist is trying to prove a negative.
No one can prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) does not exist, but anyone who bothers to look will find that the FSM was created by Bobby Henderson in 2005. There is no evidence that the FSM is a real entity. There is no evidence that the FSM is anything other than a mental construct. An idea, and nothing more. Your god (and all gods) are the same as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Also, I am amused that you would suggest that I am a liar.
And that's why we must wait. The True will arrive, and dispel any silly notion of the existence of cartoon characters and the false. Interesting tho you should mention Zeus. In the first Biblical fulfillment of "the abomination that causes desolation", Antiochus Epiphanes erected a statue to Zeus in the Temple in Jerusalem. Biblical prophecy itself declares there is a power with that name, but it is dark, demonic, and wicked...rotten to the core and evil beyond measure.
Christianity has historically made quite an effort to quash any competing religions. That usually involved fire and swords, but it sometimes entailed absorbing elements of another religion and retconning history. We have evidence of cultures far older than the Hebrews, and we have evidence of religions far older than the Judeo-Christian ones.
You can scream that your imaginary friend is the really real, one true god until you lose your voice, but in the end all you have is a sore throat.
There is no reason to believe that your god is any more real than anyone else's god. The same logic that allows you to dismiss Thor, Tlaloc, and Athena as fantasy, also applies to your god.
"Myth is what we call other people's religion." -Joseph Campbell
And by the way, leave Mickey out of this. He rocks.
Walt Disney was an anti-Semite.
That's because you refuse to look at the evidence. Good thing it's not a train and you're standing on the track. But then maybe in a certain way it is....hmmm....Go ahead. Tell me you've researched this, and looked for evidence of God.
What evidence?
Present your evidence, and allow it to be scrutinized in an unbiased, scientific method. If your evidence holds up, you will have taken a huge stride for your cause.
The sad thing is that, you are probably right. Look at tragedies that have happened in the world. After 9/11, churches filled up. 6 months later, church attendance was back at pre-event levels. Should there be massive disappearances in a "blink of an eye", around the world, people will freak out for a bit over it, but soon they will have bigger things to worry about. The book of Revelation tells us that people will know that God is real, and Jesus is real, and even knowing that beyond any doubt, they still will refuse to turn from their wickedness to a life that honors Him.
The sad thing is that people living in 2012 CE believe that the lies and fever-dreams of long dead men (who believed our health was ruled by a balance of humours, and the sun revolved around the earth) is the literal truth. I am sorry that you have been lied to, and I am sorry that the real world isn't what you want it to be. You can pray with all of your might, but you can't will your god into existence.
The reality of our world isn't particularly kind, or nurturing, to anyone. Life is hard, and it is over before most of us are ready for it to be. Based on the best evidence we have to-date, there are no sapient entities that have influenced the processes of our world other than humans, there are no other realities accessible from our own, and there are no elements of our personality that survive brain death.
Don't you worry. If you don't believe me, God will make sure you know the truth. Eventually.
...except those are just hollow platitudes.
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People don't care about the evidence
People do care about evidence even if Zionists don't.
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Okay, I understand that it serves a purpose to now do a 180 degree turn and say that evidence for the existence of God and the truth of the Bible is now valid. This whole "American Jews do not have Israel as their homeland" is proven erroneous by knowledge of the Bible, and what God is doing in this world...which He revealed through the Bible. I have buckets full of evidence for the veracity of that, and are we now saying that such evidence is valid?
Isabella, I though perhaps there was some error in your views. There is no God but God. Period. The issue is the person of Jesus Christ, for Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but through Me." Muslims do not know Him, and attempt to appease a God they do not know through works, which may include martyrdom for the cause. The problem with martyrdom is it's a poor career choice. The problem with trying to appease God through works is that you never know when you've done enough, and indeed mankind cannot do enough good works to pay for the evil that we do. Consider that God looks at the content of the heart, the attitude and character, and not neccesarily success or failure in doing good works. Likewise, many who fill various churches, temples and cathedrals likewise cling to a religion of man's construct, and do not know the One who gave Himself for them.
See, here's the thing. Through relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ, as Jesus promised, He sends another "helper", and advocate, and it is this One He has sent that guides us into the truth. He helps us to understand the Bible, corrects and guides us, let's us know when we're messing up, and we follow His lead. Of course it's not a man I speak of. I understand that people say "God told me" and go out and do very ungodly things, and bring dishonor to His name. Certain politicians come to mind.
As for this article on which we are supposed to be commenting, the premise of the article is not in agreement with what God is doing in this world as revealed in the Bible. If indeed American Jews want nothing to do with Israel, and are happy and comfortable in other nations...even hating Israel, they are not the whole of it. Perhaps some do love money and position above their eternal destinies, but also, God is a God of remnants. Remember Gideon, in the Bible. God pared his armed forces down from a thousand to 300, and by those 300, defeated an army much, much larger. One man and God is a majority, after all.
Zen, why are you defending and offering as another belief that which you have said you do not believe? If you want to discuss in truth, we can do that, but so far your jousting with me has shown your commenting to be rather like a rudder that's come loose. You're all over the place and offering as true that which you don't even believe is true.
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"Muslims do not know Him"
Muslims know him. Muslims believe Jesus was the greatest of God's messengers. Belief in Jesus is required to be a Muslim. They call him Messiah Jesus. They hold Jesus in the highest of esteem. They believe he is divine. When they speak his name, they immediately say "peace be upon him." However, they don't believe Jesus was crucified. They believe his enemies planned on killing him, but God saved him and brought Jesus to him in heaven. They believe God put the likeness of Jesus on another man, and this man was crucified instead, his enemies thinking it was Jesus. Muslims believe he will return on or near judgement day to defeat the anti-Christ.
Just curious, why don't you have anything negative to say about the Jewish faith, and their belief of who Jesus is? They don't believe Jesus is the son of God, nor a prophet or messenger of God, nor divine. They believe he is an ordinary man. They do not believe he is the Messiah. He is seen as the false Messiah because he did not meet the requirements laid out in Jewish beliefs. Some of his followers, the Nazarenes, believed he was the Messiah of the Jewish texts. The majority of the Jewish people rejected this belief and Judaism today continues to do.
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Here is a very good description of what we are hearing again and again and trying to act smart with the pseudo-religious mixed wild comments
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.
Most of the people who use religion as an excuse to push their agenda fall in this category of socially conservative type although it is not always true for all conservatives but has been found quite often that a sign is the use of overly unexplainable religious brainwashing propaganda mixed with emotional rants to justify their positions.
My advice to blind followers of religious based causes is to use some common sense which seems to be not common with them.
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Isabella, I know that Judaism does not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, even when they do confess He was a prophet and a teacher.
One thing that has always given me pause, with Muslims is this: Why do they claim to honor Jesus, but deny everything He taught? I know the Quran claims that the name of Jesus should be respected, but then why do they kill Christians, who believe in Him? Why are those who convert to Christianity in Muslim countries imprisoned, tortured, abandoned by family and friends, and in many cases, killed? Do they really not know that you cannot say you love and respect Jesus, then kill His people? Do they not understand that God will require at their judgement the blood of those whom they have killed?
And another thing: As with the Mormon "prophet" Joseph Smith, so it is with Muhammed, the 'instigator' of Islam. They were alone when an "angel" appeared to them, and suddenly, they are believed without question, even though there are NO witnesses. Jesus Christ was born, lived, did His mighty works, was unjustly accused, condemned, beaten, crucified, and rose from the dead, and all were witnessed by many, many people, yet He is disbelieved? Does that make sense to you?
Isabella, I know you think me hateful and harsh, and sometimes I may be typing out of frustration, or fatigue, or distraction. It is hard to know the tone and temper of those who post on the computer as we cannot read the body language. I may not always "feel" it, but I choose a love for all mankind. I cannot love mankind based on their individual actions, for that would require judgement on my part of which I am just not capable. So rather I must be one who loves as God enables, all with whom I am confronted. I sat in a Starbucks the other day and talked for about 2 hours with a scientist who is an atheist, and his wife who is an agnostic and a "recovering Catholic". The conversation bore a striking resemblence to discussions here on the Vine, and we were smiling, and speaking with respect, and happy to be talking with each other, even though in many ways, we did not agree.
And so I leave you with this question: When someone makes the choice to hold in their heart a love for people, do they display that love by witholding the truth, and agreeing with the false? Do they withold it, knowing that judgement is coming, but there is a remedy? A way of escape? Jesus very much desires that people be made fit for heaven, but man's religion will never produce such quality of people. It is imperative that we first seek Him, and when we find Him (for He promised that if we search for Him with all our heart, we will find Him) all else flows out of that relationship, and He guides us into all truth.
And let me also say again: God has not forgotten His people Israel. I recently read a report that 86 percent of respondents to a survey in Israel report a fervent belief in God, that impacts their everyday choices. The issue is with Jesus, the Messiah. As for those in America, many do not yet know that God will call them to return, according to His purposes and His promise. God can always offer, and let His will be known, but we free will creatures have the option of saying "yes" or "no".
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Levi777
Zen, why are you defending and offering as another belief that which you have said you do not believe? If you want to discuss in truth, we can do that, but so far your jousting with me has shown your commenting to be rather like a rudder that's come loose. You're all over the place and offering as true that which you don't even believe is true.
If that is what you took from my post(s), you need to work on your reading comprehension. You appear to be incapable of actually addressing my points, or answering my questions.
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Well, if you had something valid to offer, I might consider responding to your posts. Do you have a valid question?
If you want to speculate about the origin of myths, be aware that your own religion is nothing more than an hodgepodge of concepts stolen from earlier religions. For example, Mithra was doing Jesus's shtick long before he was alleged to have been born, and Utnapishtim was surviving mythic world-covering floods before the Noah story was ever imagined.
Like the comment above. You don't believe in Mithra, or Utnapishtim, so why are you floating them as predecessors to the Biblical accounts?
You know, I sat and talked to a co-worker tonight, and it's the same thing. You just don't get it. You know what he did when I brought up the points about the historical dating of the books of the Bible, and fulfilled prophecy? He changed the subject to politics. What is it you want to know? Do you want to know why I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God? Do you want to know about prophetic scriptures that have come true? If you are willing to consider, then I will answer your questions. If all you want to do is float imaginary works of fiction as a substitute for Jesus Christ, then what else is there to say? Sit in the ignorance.
You want to have a discussion, I"m more than willing to discuss. Does not seem as if that's what you're after.
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In recent years, Jewish religious bodies, ranging from the Orthodox to the Conservative to the Reform have embraced the notion that the State of Israel — not God — is, somehow, “central” to Judaism. In Miami, in 1997, the Central Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR), a Reform body, adopted a platform which declared that Israel serves “uniquely as the spiritual center of world Jewry.”
Prior to 1948, there was no Israel. The United Nations created the legal, Sovereign State of Israel expressly for the Jewish people. Now, the Jews have a homeland in the same location where God promised Abraham a place for his decendants.
The world changes, we must change with it.
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#2 - Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:47 PM ESTPrior to 1948, there was no Israel.
Correct for once, after 1948 European Zionist came in, murdered and displaced the native inhabitants and coerced the UN to give them land which did not belong to them.
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God promised Abraham a place for his decendants.
Where in the bible does God promise a bunch of Europeans land in the Middle East?
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Jack,
It is what it is. You cannot change it. Get on board, it's a good train!
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Jack,
By the way, how did you like President Obama's State of the Union speech to Congress tonight? "Our iron clad friendship with Israel is demonstrated in our military cooperation," received ovations from both Republicans and Democrats. I guess BDS isn't working out too well in the non Islamic world!
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Dual nationals of USA particularly Israel are the most dangerous spies US has uncovered over the years who are responsible for selling US defence and security information to our US adversaries for the benefit of Israel.
I applaud those of jewish background who shun this policy of Israel first and consider America to be used and abused for Israels unrealistc aims and policies. This article brings forth the controversial posistins and weaknesess of the militant extremist zionists.
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Salmann,
Well, as 2.4 demonstrates, your "Conspiracy Theories" don't carry any weight with the leaders of the United States of America. Here, we are free to have dual citizenship.
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its a special time - votes and and getting elected. Don't they all say things to everybody at the same time ? Obama is pragmatic and also on the record of calling israeli illegal settlements illegitimate and then you disagree with him - don't you
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Kevin, I read enough of the article to know this: the author has some real issues with the understanding of "homeland". The sons of Jacob are bound to that land in a way that time cannot erase. Never in the history of this world has a language been a national language, then a dead language, then revived to become a national language again. That's Hebrew. Also, never has a nation been a nation, then not a nation, then again made into a nation. That's Israel.
It's considered a topic of interesting study how Hebrew was kept intact and alive for 1,808 years, in spite of every effort by communists, the Catholic papacy, Muslims, and others, to eradicate Jews from the world. Further, to consider Israel our homeland is a matter of the heart. No one can say that Israel is not the Jew's homeland. Israel is the Jew's homeland in a way that no man can touch. It's an issue of the heart, not physical birth.
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Well Levi777 you prove it that the illegal militant extremists zionist settlers are working on the same philisosphy as you exhibit in your personal opinion comment without facts. It just shows where your comment is coming from. The corner of the world that has been time and again declared illegtimate and illegal by all civilized standards of world.
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ramikay, blah blah blah. You can't touch it, and you have no part in it. Why do you think Israel endures even though the Arab nations sit and spit into the wind, foaming at the mouth with hatred of Israel? All you can do is sit on the outside and comment on that of which you have very limited knowledge.
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Levi777
The article is written by a member of Jewish organization and has honesty and factual information exposes the extremists zionists false philisosphy of the establishment of stste of Israel based on false excuses that are not accepted by the majority of Jewsih people in the west. In fact the article describes clearly that the young jewish communities in America shun the zionist idelogy of a jewish state in Palestine.
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..and I think if you say it long enough and don't waver much, people will actually begin to believe it. Great psychology. But some of us have better memories, and care about what we believe.
Are there whacko Jews? Of course. Are there whacko Muslims? Of course. Are there whacko Palestinians? Of course. Are there whacko Christians? Of course. I think what we have here is someone who reduce1s matters of the heart and spirit to nothing more than where a person was born.
I don't much like it that when I ask a question that promotes a truth, people flat don't answer. Oh they'll vascilate and go all around it, but they'll never address it. For example:
What direction do American converts to Islam face when they pray? Do they face in the direction of the White House?
Muhammad claimed a visitaton by an angel, which was unwitnessed. Billions believed his message of intolerance and conversion by sword. Sadly, he's not alone in that characteristic. The Catholic church has their fair share of blood on their hands. This visitation, though unwitnessed, is believed.
The Mormon church has the same dynamic. Joseph Smith was in the woods and was visited by an angel. Again. No witnesses. Many believe him.
Jesus Christ's birth, life, ministry, mock trial, crucifixion, death, and His resurrection from the dead were all witnessed by numbers from a couple dozen to thousands. Yet He's not believed.
I'll tell ya what. Muhammed and Joseph Smith saw an angel alright. A fallen angel, bent on fomenting a deception. And people who do not walk in the truth fell for it hook, line and sinker. They built this whole, huge construct of a religion that never has any hope of learning how to have relationship with God.
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Jack,
I apologize, I misremembered President Obama's quote. Here it is, exactly:
"Our ironclad commitment — and I mean ironclad — to Israel’s security has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries in history." (Applause.)
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I apologize, I misremembered the truth
There I fixed it for you.
As i have told you countless times, the isolation and boycott of South Africa did not happen over night; it took years and the same is happening to Israel, as they increase their apartheid system.
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Jack,
There is no evidence of change in Israel occuring through BDS. IF that were true, Israel's exports would not be growing by $5 Billion per year, and Israel would not be enjoying the 15th rank in the world's best economies of developed nations.
I think what you, perhaps, meant to say was ... the same MAY someday happen to Israel, because, right now, there is no evidence of it. Your wishful thinking is poor incentive.
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BDS movement so successful Israel passes law banning boycotts
The Israeli government passed a law yesterday that allows for any Israeli person or organization calling for the boycott of Israel or the settlements to be sued by the boycott’s target without having to prove any damage was sustained.
Now that is called a fascist law against free speech.
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Salmann,
Really? I'd call it effective economic policy. The FACT remains, Israel is growing her exports, and her economic status in the world is not diminishing. BDS has no effect on Israeli success, no matter how you attempt to argue it. The non Islamic world loves Israel, loves her products, and will not be swayed by your contrived claims.
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, Israel's exports would not be growing by $5 Billion per year,
And how much is the IMPORT growing with?
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Curt:
Here you go ... mind you, these are 2008 and 2010 figures. Israeli exports have grown to over $60 Billion through 2011.
Exports
$54.35 billion f.o.b. (2010 est.)
Export goods
machinery and equipment, software, cut diamonds, agricultural products, chemicals, textiles and apparel, military equipment, food.
Main export partners
US 32.5%, The Netherlands 7.5%, Turkey 6.7% (2011)
Imports
$55.6 billion f.o.b. (2010 est.)
Import goods
raw materials, military equipment, investment goods, rough diamonds, fuels, grain, consumer goods
Main import partners
United States 12.3%, Belgium 6.5%, Germany 6.0%, China 6.5%, Switzerland 6.1%(2008)
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So then the Import is still larger than the exports by $1.25 billions,
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Public debt
78% of GDP (2009 est.)
Revenues
$45 billion (2008 est.)
Expenses
$58.6 billion (2009 est.)
oops - net loss, hm?
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Melonie,
Not in 2011.
Besides, it's a heck of a lot better than the vegetables the Palestinians are trading with Jordan.
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accept it Kevin, you get caught in your own falsfied arguments each time you try to act too smart with your comments. Do your homework before you comment. You were wrong again here and has been proved as usual again and again
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Ramikay,
You want to argue. I am telling you it is pointless to try and create a Palestinian position that will stand against the economic wealth and military might of Israel. The United States, just last night, gave a ringing endorsement of Israel (in President Obama's State of the Union speech) which must upset you greatly, since both Republicans and Democrats soundly supported it:
"Our ironclad commitment — and I mean ironclad — to Israel's security has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries in history." (Applause.)
Your cause is lost, your arguments are worthless in the real world, and your rhetoric is insufficient to the task. Give it up. Pick another cause, maybe the North Koreans.
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Hey Kevin,
The reason all of those politicians gave a standing ovation is because they all get fat handouts from AIPAC.
They have been bought.
Refute any of my points made in #4.3
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You want to argue. I am telling you it is pointless to try and create a Palestinian position that will stand against the economic wealth and military might of Israel.
Once again Mirek you claim might makes right. Sorry; that is only true for a while, and as in the case of the Axis powers in WWII and South Africa, eventually the oppressing power falls.
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Jack,
The Axis powers did not have nuclear weapons. We did. We used them to bring Japan to her knees.
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Mirek what do nukes have to do with the eventual fall of Israel due to economic boycotts?
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Jack,
Economic boycotts are a joke; they are ineffective. The only thing that will move Israel is a superior military force. Israel's nuclear weapons prevent that assualt on Israel. You said:
eventually the oppressing power falls
It was military (and in one case, nuclear weapons) that caused the Axis to fall.
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Kevin
How will israel move their HUGE mighty military without gasoline?
Trust me, that is one commodity the USA won't send to israel, there is a shortage as it is in the USA right now (look at the price at the pump if you doubt me)
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Economic boycotts are a joke; they are ineffective
Tell that to Apartheid South Africa! Ohhh THAT'S RIGHT; THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, BOYCOTTS FORCED THEM OUT OF POWER.LOL
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It's pretty bizarre for anyone to suggest a Jew's first loyalty may not to Israel. How can you even be a Jew if your first loyalty is to America?
#4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:21 PM ESTIn the seed they explain that their first loyalty as Jews is to God. They are offended by the replacement of Israel as the central loyalty of Jews. They distinguish between being a Jew as a religion and being a Jew as a nationality. They are also offended at being referred to as exiles when they have chosen to live in the US. So they think "how can you be a Jew if you don't put God first?"
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How can one be an American if their loyalty is to Israel?
Israel is NOT a true friend to our country, here's why:
1) Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S., yet public discussion about it is almost nil.
Israel's spying on the U.S., however, is a matter of public record, and neither conspiracy nor theory is needed to present the evidence. When the FBI produces its annual report to Congress concerning "Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage," Israel and its intelligence services often feature prominently as a threat second only to China. In 2005 the FBI noted, for example, that Israel maintains "an active program to gather proprietary information within the United States." A key Israeli method, said the FBI report, is computer intrusion. In 1996, the Defense Intelligence Service, a branch of the Pentagon, issued a warning that "the collection of scientific intelligence in the United States [is] the third highest priority of Israeli Intelligence after information on its Arab neighbors and information on secret U.S. policies or decisions relating to Israel."
2) Israel had prior knowledge of the 9-11 attacks, 3 dancing Israelis were detained on 9-11 in New York after the attacks. After their deportation, all 3 of them then went on a network TV show in Jerusalem to give their account, one of them said "We were there to document the events."
Clip from the show here and another clip here.
Israel had PRIOR knowledge and did not warn the US. WHY?
3) Israel has stolen Uranium for the US:
The Institute for Research on Middle Eastern Policy examined hundreds of newly-declassified documents from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other agencies.
The study revealed that Israel used its intelligence operatives in the US as well as American Jews to infiltrate a US uranium stockpile between the 1950s and the 1960s and stole hundreds of kilograms of weapon-grade nuclear materials to manufacture its first atomic bombs.
4) Israel tried to sell NUCLEAR WEAPONS to Apartheid South Africa:
Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.
The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.
I will debate anyone on this issue, this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Israel is not our friend.
Period.
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lincoln,
That is your opinion. The President of the United States, considerably more informed than you, has a different opinion:
"Our ironclad commitment — and I mean ironclad — to Israel's security has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries in history." (Applause.)
President Obama said that last night in his State of the Union Address, and both Republicans and Democrats loudly applauded. So, it would seem your opinion is a bit out of touch with the American political reality.
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I really don't care what their phalanges did when he said that.
Address the points I made and the facts I presented.
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lincoln,
You are missing my point. I don't care! I trust President Obama to take care of business. He's my guy!
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At least your honest about it. I applaud you for that.
I am sorry but I can't say someone is our friend if they steal and spy on us on a regular basis, and I definitely cannot support Israel's policies of collective punishment, even if our POTUS does.
I cannot blindly follow, I am human, not a sheep.
Be well.
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I don't care!
That's your problem Mirek, you don't care about those whose land is being stolen as we speak, because your hate for Islam is supported by Israel.
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Kevin you know damn well that the President is going to pander to the voters in his Address. You've been presented indisputable evidence that Israel has not acted like a true ally to the US and you keep pointing to ONE conversation as a dispute?
The President can get on TV and say whatever he wants, his words DO NOT refute the evidence.
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Kevin you understand the facts as your comment 4.2 suggests. You are being hypocritical now by saying that Israel is more important than US for American Jews. The fact is the opposite. Majority US jews do not want to fight for or live in Israel and prefer living in the US than Israel. This refutes the zionist philosophy of jewish state and home land in the middle of Palestine.
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Salmann,
Even if it did (although it does not), you and your rhetoric could not possibly influence the outcome. Palestinians are a lost cause, led down that road by Arafat (the wise). Israel has out fought, out smarted, out manufactured, and out witted the Palestinians at every step. Sorry, you just cannot have your way. It is Israel's turn for hegemony in the Middle East.
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Kevin
You seem to be still living in old times. Recent changes of rulers in middle-east is bringing more focus on realities and Israel's so called hegemony has no value in future. Natanyahu has already on record of making statements full of anxiety and fear.
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Israel is that friend who is always asking you for money and never repays, that friend that is always starting a fight and dragging you into it, the friend that sneaks into your house when you are gone and steals things and then denies it, that friend that smiles to your face and runs you down behind your back, that friend that is overly paranoid and thinks everyone is out to get them. I think we have all experienced those types of "friends" in life, and if you are smart, you will cut all ties with that friend, because the entire relationship is one sided and parasitic, and is not a friendship at all.
And if that friend is smart, they will learn to work and not beg for money, that friend will learn to be nice to other people so they are not constantly getting into fights with others, that friend will learn that stealing is wrong, that breaking into peoples homes, especially their friends homes is unacceptable, if that friend is smart they would acknowledge their transgressions and would apologize for wrongs they have committed in the past.
That is unless you enjoy sadomasochistic relationships, and if that is the case, Israel is the best friend one could have.
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Israel Is Not the Homeland of American Jews -
The American council for Judaism
Thanks goodness for those rational jews who have shown that they know the difference between Zionism as terrorist and Judaism as Religion.
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#5 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:51 AM ESTwell i disagree with this due to the fact that israel is the mother land of the jewish faith and prayers for israel and its security and blessing is the responsability of a jew! so if a jew understands that israel is the right of a jew than i question this report that does not id where the fact finding activities took place to support the claims made herein. a jew is a jew through and through. if you think i perhaps am wrong than ask a jew about iran threats against israel. and if i know this , than many more would know this being jews. if i know this not being a jew than i cannot believe the many jews of america could say that israel is not the land of their heart.
#6 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:06 AM ESTmipolitic, Israel is not now and has never been the "motherland of
Jewish faith". Before the Hebrews, under Moses, murdered the men, women
and children of Canaan (pre-Israel) where was the "motherland" of the
Jewish faith? Right, there wasn't one.
There are millions of faithful Jews worldwide, not just in the US that have
no desire to live in Israel. I personally know several Jewish families who have
had the opportunity to live in Israel but have refused. I enjoy a close
relationship with several Jewish friends and we enjoy goading each other over
our difference of opinions regarding politics and the M.E. When asked why they
do not prefer to live in Israel all but one has said it is because Israel is an
abomination in their eyes, and as they believe, in God's eyes. They believe those who currently run Israel are doing more harm, overall, than good.
Go figure. Jews, who do not prefer Israel and who actually believe Israel
is, at least in its current state, more harmful to the Jewish community as a
whole than it is helpful. It may be hard for some, especially dedicated zionists,
to understand their point of view, however, that view is shared by millions of
Jews worldwide, so there must be something to it. As the old saying goes, they can't all be wrong.
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Of course Israel is not the homeland of American Jews; Israel is the homeland of Israeli Jews and America is the homeland of American Jews. It's all pretty simple to grasp if you think about it. Not much different than having American Christians or Palestinian Christians, or American Muslims and Saudi Muslims. Jews are Jews, Christians are Christians and Muslims are Muslims; just like Americans are Americans, Israelis are Israelis and Saudis are Saudis. If American Muslims want to support the Kaaba in Mecca, or American Jews want to support the Temple rebuilding fund in Israel, or American Christians want to support a church in Vatican City, they all have the right to support whatever they please as long as it's legal. Of course, there is a difference between homeland and heartland, and we all also have the right to place our hearts wherever we wish.
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